Hi all,
I still have never seen any indication in the world around me that chemical
transmutation ever takes place.
The figures about Ca, Mg and P you give Wytze do not at first sight look as
if a stoichiometric transmutation is taking place from Mg and P into Ca. Was
this experiment done in a closed system? To make grain germinate you need to
had water to the dry seeds. Was this water tested for mineral content? Or
was the increased Ca content due to take up from this source? Was the
remaining water tested? Did the Mg and P that disappeared leak out in this?
I have no problems with increasing carotene levels after germination of
rice. But that is something different. Carotene is an organic molecule ( in
the chemical sense) and can be synthesized by the plant from airborne CO2.
I have not tried sprouting rice so far, but from personal experience with
other sprouted cereals I think the result could be rather palatable and
nutritious indeed. We make a certain bread here that we call "Stone age
bread". We let a mixture of cereals germinate ( and we had sunflower, mung
beans, or any other bean, peas, buckwheat or whatever other sprouts as well
at times ). When the sprouting is well advanced, most of the germination
water gone and the sprouts reasonably dry, we put the lot through the meat
miner. Had a little sea salt and work into pot fitting shape. Pop pot in
oven at not too high a temperature and forget about it for a good few hours.
It turns into a sweat, chestnut brown loaf. A little bit crumbly but not at
all bad.
One warning : I forbid anyone reading this and trying it out to even think
of taking a patent on the recipe.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: wytze <geno@zap.a2000.nl>
To: Douglas Hinds <dmhinds@acnet.net>
Cc: John D'hondt <dhondt@eircom.net>; sanet <sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: Fw:higher nutrient levels in organic food
> Hi,
> Douglas, I fully share your remarks on gmo's, patents and cerfain
> developments in agriculture and society.
> As promised, some data on mineralchange in sprouting seeds. Source is a
> French book: "Decouvrez les graines germees" (discover sprouted grains)
> from 1983 by M. Cayla.
> He gives for wheat the following figures:
> Phosphorus:
> Magnesium Calcium
> whole grain 423mg%
> 133mg% 45mg%
> sprouted grain 1050mg% 342mg%
> 71mg%
>
> In oats he found an augmentation of Calcium of 300-350%
>
> Unfortunately, most of the sprout-research has focused on vitamins and
> amino acids.
> One interesting figure concerns provit A in rice Carotene in rice
> increases from 0,3mg in unsprouted rice to 4mg/100g in seedlings of seven
> days. (I do not know how riceseedlings taste and whether they are used as
> food anywhere.)
> I will dive further into the mineral issue and see what has happened since
> the eighties in research. Anyway I agree that more research is needed.
> wytze
>
>
> Douglas Hinds wrote:
>
> > Hi wytze,
> >
> > Monday, April 10, 2000, 12:47:56 PM, you wrote:
> >
> > w> Hi John, Douglas,
> >
> > w> ... Douglas' remark on the richer soils and healthier soils makes
> > w> sense to me but is the increase in minerals than caused by the
> > w> combination of compost and soil micro organisms?
> >
> > Well, you need the compost / humus to help breed the micro-organisms
> > which help make minerals accessible, but above all I would stress the
> > need for further research regarding these natural, symbiotic
> > processes. This of course requires funding. Speaking of funding:
> >
> > In terms of my social conscience, I am offended the vast, wasteful,
> > expensive and totally needless campaign to cash in on (develop, market
> > and thus exploit) unique, patentable recombinant organisms designed
> > first and foremost to benefit their developers and pushers, who are
> > little better than criminals in my book.
> >
> > Evidently we find ourselves in the midst of a struggle where the
> > natural world is being trashed (both psychologically and physically)
> > as unfit, just so others can substitute processes that took millions
> > of years to develop with others (*"theirs"*) that have more potential
> > to lower the quality of life as we (and all those that preceded us)
> > know it than to fulfill the greenback backed hype that's being spewed
> > out in the media.
> >
> > And this is happening even before the natural process that gave rise
> > to life itself are fully understood.
> >
> > Maybe I should go back to the states and run for president.
> >
> > Or just urge that more research be done on biological systems, while a
> > moratorium is implemented on the further release of GMOs in
> > agriculture.
> >
> > Douglas
>
>
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